Monday, June 20, 2011

Links Regarding Abortion

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/weebies/weebies9.html

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/arg-abor.html (Christian website, makes Old Testament & secular arguments)

http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles/10rguments.htm (Christian website, makes secular arguments)

http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/law111/RothProChoice.htm

http://www.feministsforlife.org/international/index.htm

http://www.l4l.org/

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/asmf/asmf13.html

10 comments:

Ksil said...

You want government out of everyone's life....unless its women's reproductive rights.

Typical.

Let a woman do to her body what she wishes.

SJ said...

when we are dealing with different genes than the woman we're dealing with something that's not her body.

Ksil said...

Not. Her . Body.

You are a man, obviously.

JRKmommy said...

Of course, it has nothing to do with a woman's body. The fetus is simply growing in some random incubator, right? Because the placenta isn't attached to anything and isn't drawing nutrients from anyone's blood, and the uterus doesn't belong to anyone, and nobody's blood volume needs to increase to deal with the pregnancy, and nobody's bladder and bowels are affected, and nobody's lungs and stomach are affected by a distended uterus, and an increase in fluid doesn't cause anyone's extremities to swell, and nobody suffers from potentially fatal increases in blood pressure call pre-eclampsia, and nobody's heart needs to work harder to pump blood, and nobody needs to forego the medications needed to treat serious conditions like cancer or rheumatoid arthritis because they are known to cause birth defects, and nobody ever has vomiting so severe that they need to be hospitalized, and nobody has ever had spinal anesthetic for a c-section immobilize their diaphragm and cause breathing difficulties, and nobody has ever had urinary or bowel incontinence after delivery, and nobody has ever developed a fistula, and nobody has ever had their uterus literally rip open (uterine rupture) during a delivery, and nobody has ever had the anesthesia wear off in the middle of a c-section, and nobody has ever had a c-section incision that kept bleeding for a month after the birth, and nobody has ever had a potentially fatal hemorrhage following delivery, and nobody has ever had a serious infection following either vaginal or c-section delivery, and nobody has ever had a violent partner beat them during pregnancy and specifically target the abdomen, and no one has ever had difficulty landing a job while pregnant....

Out of curiosity, would you support government health care for pregnant women? What about freedom of choice in birthing options? Or increased funding for domestic violence programs, including increased shelter and second-stage housing funding? What about extending protection to pregnant workers employed by small businesses?

Garnel Ironheart said...

While JKRMommy makes some good points, here's something to consider from the opposite position - the foetus, while part of the mother's body, is genetically half the father. A pregnancy is (usually) a joint investment in genetic material cared for by the mother until delivery. Does he not get a say on what happens to his part of the investment?

JRKmommy said...

Something about the term "investment" sort of rubs me the wrong way....

Anyway, I agree that a father should care about his child-to-be. IME, the absolutely most effective way to do this is to be as supportive as possible to the mother who is carrying that child.

SJ said...

>> The fetus is simply growing in some random incubator, right?

Woooooow, so we pretty much established that the fetus is separate from the woman. You aren't even calling the fetus as apart of the woman.

>> Because the placenta isn't attached to anything and isn't drawing nutrients from anyone's blood, and the uterus doesn't belong to anyone, ...... lungs ...... stomach ..... etc


STUPID BITCH, noone expects actual organs to become a separate life. You can't come up here and say with a straight face that the fetus is an actual organ of the woman.

See, I'm a politics blogger. I thrive on what the truth is, cutting through the bull shit in each argument. You JRKmommy are a lawyer, you thrive on word games.

GO BACK TO YOUR KITCHEN YOU DUMB BITCH!!!!!

JRKmommy said...

Charming as ever, I see. What's it with you and the kitchen?

I'm saying that the body of the mother is profoundly affected by pregnancy, and involved in sustaining that pregnancy. You can't pretend that it's possible to "protect the fetus" without having an impact on the mother. More importantly, focusing on the "separate entity" argument distracts from the fact that the best way to protect the fetus is to support and protect the mother.

Incidentally, since you seen to be SO concerned with providing links stating that the government needs to defend heterosexual marriage and childbearing, I was wondering:

1. When are you planning and getting married and producing children?

2. Does making comments like "stupid bitch" or "go back to your kitchen you dumb bitch" impact on your ability to find a heterosexual mate?

3. Does living with your parents or watching Stargate impact on your ability to find a heterosexual mate?

4. If so, should the government ban these things and make sure that you get married and procreate?

SJ said...

Ok JRKdummy here is where you are playing word games.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ABORTION WHEN IT IS A -REAL- HEALTH ISSUE.


I AM TALKING ABOUT BEING AGAINST ABORTION WHEN IT IS DONE OUT OF EXPEDIENCY AND THERE IS IN FACT NOTHING HEALTH WISE OR MEDICAL WISE WRONG WITH THE MOTHER

So for you to bring up health issue in THIS discussion about abortion is in all honesty NOT RELEVANT.


>> the best way to protect the fetus is to support and protect the mother.

In this I can agree. The government should be focused on teaching kids in school to not have sex before marriage and to at least put the baby up for adoption if a single mother can't handle being pregnant.


What you seem to mean however is, "the best way to protect the fetus is to support and protect the mother in terminating the fetus." See? WORD GAME!!!!!!

Also your questions 1 through 4 are such incredible non sequiturs. Jesus fucking christ.

I wouldn't hire you to defend from a traffic ticket.

JRKmommy said...

Please don't put words in my mouth.

"Support and protect the mother" means exactly that - I didn't refer to advocating abortion.

http://jrkmommy-personalandpolitical.blogspot.com/2011/03/pro-life-and-pro-choice.html

Efrat has a real tract record of preventing abortions by supporting mothers. All the protesters screaming since 1973 about Roe v. Wade can't say the same thing.