Monday, February 7, 2011

WHO WAS RATIONAL AND WHO WAS IRRATIONAL

Me changing beliefs has given me a new perspective on the people in the blogosphere that I associated with. There are people who were rational about me changing beliefs and there were people who were irrational. Let me start with the rational first.

RATIONAL:

OTD http://www.offthed.blogspot.com/ OTD Is an atheist blogger who seems to have been taking a break from blogging for the time being. He handled my change of religion the absolute most rationally by SAYING NOTHING. This is how modern soceity is supposed to work. One is supposed to, how shall I put this, not be disrespectful and also, not really care too much on what a person's personal beliefs are. A person ought to be cool with everyone regardless of beliefs and regard religious beliefs as personal business.

Garnel Ironheart http://www.garnelironheart.blogspot.com/ Garnel Ironheart is an orthodox blogger who I gave some b.s. to a while back XD that I apologized for. He did try to convince me to go back to his sect but he kept it civil, so Garnel belongs in the rational department.

Shalom Habayit shalomhabayit.blogspot.com Keeps it civil in the debating. During the debating she leaves long essays to respond to -_- XD

Jewish Philosopher jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com (DISCLAIMER: I am aware JP and other bloggers have issues. Not my problem really.) JP did say that he considers Jews to only be a religious group but he said it flatly as a belief of his and not as trying to be offensive. He even used a tiny bit of humor in the discussion we had way back.

Dov Bear dovbear.blogspot.comI don't know Dov Bear very well, he kept absolutely quiet about it when I was being somewhat of a wise guy on his blog a couple of months ago. (I am not a perfect person XD )


The Kvetcher www.kvetcher.net Had nothing negative to say.


Now is time for the IRRATIONAL:

Shalmo not really a blogger but a commenter. He's a Jewish born islamist who argues against Jesus even on points where Islam and Christianity agrees.

Failed Messiah www.failedmessiah.com The editor, Shmarya Rosenberg, seems to have a strange paranoia that messianic jews and political conservatives are automatically liars.

6 comments:

Garnel Ironheart said...

I'm not quite sure I like the crowd you've put me in with.

SJ said...

you prefer the other crowd? XD

Shalmo said...

I'm an islamist LOL

I keep mitzvohs buddy, I never stopped practicing Judaism. But consider myself a post-Torah jew.

If I did have to create an equation for my worldview it would be politics of Karl Marx + the universalism of Ibn Arabi

I like Islam specifically for its contribution of perrenialism to the world, then again I like various schools of Buddhism and Hinduism too. And use them to color my worldview. Indeed the majority of my worldview comes from the dharmic faiths.

The only staple of Al-Islam I could ever outright embrace would be tawheed (as there is good support in quantum mechanics for it) and its eschatology. The concept of the 6 stages that God planned for mankind is very attractive, highlighting a very thorough and believable plan that if there was an omniscient God would indeed construct for our species. Remember Maimonides' idea that Judaism and Chrisitianity are here to pave the way for Judaism was outright plagarized from the muslims he learned from (in their case Ahlul-Kitab religions like christianity and judaism exist to help pave the way for Islam). But that is about it

Incidently I like idolatry and do not buy the abrahamic religions' rejection of such. And am grateful here in Israel there is a revival of the long lost pre-josiah jewish polytheism.

But I remain a practicing jew and will die a practicing jew. That will never change.

Shalmo said...

As for Jesus, muslims embrace him as a prophet. Then again they also do so by acknowledging the corruption of biblical texts. Considering the fluidity of the bible until canonization 100 AD that is quite reasonable.

Regardless any rational person acknowledges that Jesus at best was an apocalyptic rabbi who thought the world was going to end with him. Bart Ehrman quite thoroughly lays the case for it here: http://books.google.ca/books?id=c9K_6NN3llcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=bart+ehrman&hl=en&ei=Y-1STeyTNInMtwftz4C_CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

The following passages in the Jewish scriptures are the ones that Jews consider to be messianic in nature or relating to the end of days. These are the ones that we rely upon in developing our messianic concept:

Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20
Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39
Ezekiel 38:16
Hosea 3:4-3:5
Micah 4
Zephaniah 3:9
Zechariah 14:9
Daniel 10:14

how many did Jesus fulfill?

Isaiah 7:14 or 53 or others that christians distort and force messianic interpretations onto simply do not count.

The Torah in Deut. 4:2 says we cannot add or subtract to its laws and that is indeed what Jesus did. Abolishing the mitzvohs makes you a false prophet. There simply is not other way around it

SJ said...

>> As for Jesus, muslims embrace him as a prophet.

http://www.islam-101.org/ seems to say on top of the home page that Muslims accept Jesus as the messiah.


>> As for Jesus, muslims embrace him as a prophet. Then again they also do so by acknowledging the corruption of biblical texts. Considering the fluidity of the bible until canonization 100 AD that is quite reasonable.

Biblical manuscripts show a high degree of accurate transmission.

>> Regardless any rational person acknowledges that Jesus at best was an apocalyptic rabbi who thought the world was going to end with him.

In reality, Jesus said that noone except the Father knows when Jesus will be back. Look it up.


>> Isaiah 7:14 ... simply do not count.

There you go again. Islam affirms the virgin birth of Christ. You don't.


>> The Torah in Deut. 4:2

Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant when the messiah comes. Guess who we claim Jesus to be?

SJ said...

You have islamist views towards the state of Israel.

You don't believe that today's Jews are from Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

How do you feel about 9/11?


>> The only staple of Al-Islam I could ever outright embrace would be tawheed

Tawheed was plagarized from Judaism.


>> But I remain a practicing jew and will die a practicing jew. That will never change.

You obviously have some beef with the jewish establishment. I indeed have beef with the jewish establishment but still my views aren't as wild as yours.