Lied To

Wow almost feels like the old SJ is coming back. Almost. Not quite.

The thing is, I got lied to in my face by a religious dude on the Failed Messiah blog. Wow, that never happened before. XD

The thread we are talking about is here- http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2010/12/scam-the-rapidly-expanding-world-of-kosher-food-234.html

Now, observe.

a commenter by the handle Bubba Metzia wrote:

The companies wouldn't be getting hechshers if it wasn't increasing their clientele. Certification is usually covered by their advertising budgets and isn't usually passed onto the consumers.

So I answered:

>> The companies wouldn't be getting hechshers if it wasn't increasing their clientele. Certification is usually covered by their advertising budgets and isn't usually passed onto the consumers.

All of a company's costs is ultimately paid for by customers. Way to insult the intelligence of the public, Bubba.

Bubba responds:

Usually though the costs for certification for a large firm are minimal and the amount of cost for certification is a fraction of a cent on each product for the total amount produced. So the certification isn't adding anything significant to the cost for consumers, but it does increase revenue for the firms that choose to get certified.

So I contend:

>> Usually though the costs for certification for a large firm are minimal and the amount of cost for certification is a fraction of a cent on each product for the total amount produced

Then how come at a kosher pizza store I got pizza from, a can of coke is $1.25 and at the Italian pizza store and at Chinese food stores a can of coke is just a buck?

The ka$h-R-u$ industry needs more transparency as well as the whole religious establishment in general.

Then another religioso comes in for a round with me, with the handle Neo-Conservaguy, he writes:

Kosher meat is a specialty product that involves a great deal of additional effort compared to non-kosher meat production, unlike the previous example of soda that you offered.

So I ask why such an everyday product should be specialty. Notice the switch here on aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww kosher certification don't cost companies anything. Now all of the sudden, kosher certification does actually take a bite. O.O

Neo-conservaguy answers:

Because of the extra work involved in the process of slaughter and treatment of the meat compared to non-kosher meat production.

I then ask why it's even needed.

Neo-conservaguy somewhat sarcastically concludes:

If you mean why do we need to eat meat, that's a personal preference. I eat a small amount of meat compared to most Americans. If you mean why kosher meat, let's not waste each others time.

I of course eat meat I'm no idiot liberal vegetarian.

I have two points to make out of this exchange.

1) The Jewish religious establishment neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds more transparency for obvious reasons.

2) The Jewish religious public needs to give information on why their rules should be followed instead of just giving demands, guilt trips, threats of gehennom, etc. Neo-conservative guy SHOULD HAVE been able to give a quick one or two sentences in favor of kashrut instead of STFU SJ IT'S JUST WHAT WE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And orthodox jews wonder why they have an OTD problem.