Milltycoon and Ninespine were kind enough to leave me with tons of stuff to respond to, so I am giving it its own thread. Although I think the both of them are wrong, I would like to thank the both of them for posting. Also since there is a lot of material to cover, I will respond on a point by point basis.
>> I'm for taking the word of the weapons inspectors who were there. You can't make the argument that we needed to invade because he wasn't complying with inspectors, and then when I post irrefutable evidence that he was, tell me the inspectors don't matter. There is only one of us taking the word of a high level Iraqi official, and it's you.
If you want proof that U.N. inspectors are a bunch of corrupt failures, you need look no further thanhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/25/iran-secret-underground-nuclear-plant. Clearly, U.N. inspectors were not allowed to inspect everything.
>> You also can't justify the invasion of Iraq on the basis of violating U.N. resolutions, when we invaded without U.N. approval. You can't be for and against the U.N. in one breath.
Under International Law, POTUS has the right to send the U.S. military on a police action.
>> The war was a dismal failure and a waste of lives and money. To watch someone complain about the deficit and then support a pointless war of aggression is pathetic.
The point of the war was to bring some sanity to the Middle East, and I think it was a very successful and positive first step.
>> Islam is a religion, not a genetic marker. It doesn't get passed down through birth. It's a belief system. If you believe it, you are a Muslim. If you don't, you aren't. The end.
I had this debate before. http://garnelironheart.blogspot.com/2010/04/obama-is-safe.html
>> The flotilla had no weapons on it. There was no reason to believe it had weapons on it. There is zero justification for boarding it in international waters. There is also zero justification for Israel turning Gaza into an apartheid state in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions by blocking medicine and food from getting in. Mass punishment is barbaric and immoral.
There was every reason to believe it had weapons on it. Also, in a military situation the standard of evidence is lower than it is in a civilian criminal trial.
Since Hamas is an enemy of Israel, Israel's blockade of Gaza is legitimate.
>> The majority of our foreign troops are stationed in random countries where they aren't doing anything except exist and cost money, when they at least could be here doing public works projects or better yet working other jobs that boost the economy. You think it helps the economy that massive numbers of citizens are living on foreign soil, spending all of their money there, while contributing NOTHING to our GDP?
I think this is a major understatement of what our troops do.
>> We spend absurd amounts of money on weapons that are built to fight advanced military enemies that don't exist, like anti-aircraft aircraft. You think we are getting involved in aerial dogfights again? No, we aren't. Ever. This isn't the early 20th century.
I don't think we can make that assumption that a dog fight will neeeeeeeeever happen again.
>> We keep building nuclear weapons when we have enough to destroy the world so many times that we have about 9000 contingency plans. What sense does that make? Isn't the ability to destroy the entire world 10 or 20 times enough?
America's nuclear arsneal serves as a stabilizing force.
>> The military is not the answer to every problem. In fact, it's the answer to very few. If we had simply stuck with intelligence, bombing, targeted aid, and covert ops in Afghanistan, we would have easily toppled the government except we wouldnt have created an insurgency and skyrocketed Al Qaeda's recruitment in the process.
Remember that the CIA could not get rid of Castro. The military is still very relevant.
>> The military is, more often than not, a DESTABILIZING force.
The surge worked in Iraq, seems pretty stabilizing if you ask me.
>> BECAUSE NOBODY LIKES TO BE OCCUPIED NO MATTER WHAT THE OCCUPIERS DO!!! Do you want Germany to come around and tell you what to do, even if it matches YOUR agenda and ideology perfectly? NO! So why the hell do you expect different from everyone else?
Educated Iraqis know that the USA is there to help and get out when Iraq is ready to take care of itself. Radical nutcases are another story.
>> Our military spending is INDEFENSIBLE. If you really cared about the deficit, you should have thought about that before you decided occupying two Middle Eastern countries was constructive. You should have thought about that before giving the rich giant tax breaks. You should have thought about that before the conservatives ran the country into the ground, tarred and feathered it, quartered it, lit it on fire, and then pissed on it. You need to wake up and stop ignoring the elephant in the room: The military-industrial complex that one of the last great Republicans (Eisenhower) warned us about.
The doctrine of military preparedness comes from Truman, the last great Democrat.
Now, in order to save time discussing the debt issues, I am just going to bring up this news article: Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404 Nuff said. Even Clinton Democrats are deficit hawks even though they pick on the military. Obama is beyond that into a new level of leftist craziness.