Thursday, May 13, 2010

Here Is Some Real Immigration Reform

Immigration at the moment is helping to destroy the USA. There should be a halt on all immigration until the USA achieves something close to full employment.

The suggestion that immigrants do the work that Americans don't want is not viable in the economy's current state.

Lastly, it is absolutely retarded for people to compare Arizona to Nazi Germany. Every country has immigration laws. Mexico has immigration laws, and Mexico treats their illegal immigrants from the rest of South America in an abysmal third-world manner. All Arizona is doing is trying to enforce the law.

Bottom line is, if someone is not in the USA legally, the person is not an immigrant but rather a law breaker.

10 comments:

Joshua said...

Immigration at the moment is helping to destroy the USA. There should be a halt on all immigration until the USA achieves something close to full employment.

The first sentence is simply assertion with no evidence. The second is borderline idiotic. Would you prevent the immigration of technical workers? So no one with PhDs can come over from elsewhere? That will do absolute wonders for our economy.


The suggestion that immigrants do the work that Americans don't want is not viable in the economy's current state.

That's simply not the case. Even in bad economic times, native US citizens are almost never working to pick crops. That's an empirical statement.


Lastly, it is absolutely retarded for people to compare Arizona to Nazi Germany.


Agreed. Hyperbolic nonsense like this is all too common.

Every country has immigration laws. Mexico has immigration laws, and Mexico treats their illegal immigrants from the rest of South America in an abysmal third-world manner.

Someone doing something even worse doesn't make it morally ok to do something similar oneself.

SJ said...

Joshua let me ask you a question. What will happen to a company that hires more workers than it can afford? A similar thing will happen to a country who brings in more workers than it can provide jobs for.

At the moment, the USA is taking in more workers than it can provide jobs for.

And I'm sure you (didn't) take a poll of every natural born American on whether they'd work in crops or not if they had nothing else. Even if they said they enough time unemployed will change their mind.


Companies can also hire American PHDs as opposed to foreign PHDS. Case in point.


It is hyperbole to equate Arizona enforcing law that is already in the federal books with lawbreakers in Mexico raping murdering and extorting their own illegal immigrants.

Liberals and Mexicans need to get their heads on straight. Borders are real.

Friar Yid (not Shlita) said...

Bottom line is, if someone is not in the USA legally, the person is not an immigrant but rather a law breaker.

Liberals and Mexicans need to get their heads on straight. Borders are real.

Are you sure everyone in your family got here legally? I know some of my ancestors came here through illegal means in the early 1920s. They were desperately poor, desperately persecuted, and would have-- and did-- do whatever they had to do in order to get out and go somewhere better.

I understand the current situation is unworkable. But I can't condemn today's immigrants for doing what my family, and many, many others, did less than 100 years ago, and for many of the same reasons.

SJ said...

There is a big difference between political asylum and economic asylum. I'm not against political asylum but the USA can't just take in every single poor person that the planet has.

When it comes to getting jobs in this country it would seem to be that natural born Americans (or anyone else here legally) should come first.

And by the way. yes my whole family came here legally a few generations ago.

SJ said...

>> Even if they said they enough time unemployed will change their mind.


shold be Even if they said no enough time unemployed will change their mind.

Friar Yid said...

There is a big difference between political asylum and economic asylum.

Sure, but there are also cases where the two are emphatically intertwined, as is often the case with persecuted religious/ethnic minorities, be they Jews in Czarist Russia or indigenous people in Latin America. The fact that many 21st century illegal immigrants are looking for work doesn't preclude them from also seeking refuge from what are essentially failing states.

There are plenty of reasons beyond merely economics that I wouldn't want to be living in Latin America these days, and if I had the opportunity to move my family somewhere safer, I'm fairly sure I wouldn't care whether all my i-s were dotted and t-s crossed.

I'm not saying it's ok or sustainable. But it's really hard to condemn them.

Joshua said...

PhDs are doing highly specialized work. The inability to choose the absolute best they can hurts the corporations and universities. Do you not realize how much such a policy would hurt American competiveness?

SJ said...

>> Sure, but there are also cases where the two are emphatically intertwined, as is often the case with persecuted religious/ethnic minorities, be they Jews in Czarist Russia or indigenous people in Latin America. The fact that many 21st century illegal immigrants are looking for work doesn't preclude them from also seeking refuge from what are essentially failing states.

The USA can also work with other countries * cough * Mexico * cough * to fix up their crap.

I don't condemn the illegal immigrants morally unless they hurt someone but borders exist for a reason, and our borders should mean something.

Joshua are you saying that American PHDs suck? XD

Joshua said...

I'm not saying that our PhDs suck. I'm saying that sometimes one of ours will be the best for a job, and sometimes it will be a PhD from somewhere else. Also, if an area is highly specialized, there might not even be enough qualified people in that discipline from the US alone. Your proposal would destroy academia and science in the United States.

SJ said...

Naa, I'm not against a company hiring a foreigner if there aren't any Americans for the job.