Tuesday, March 23, 2010

www.MessiahTruth.com Debunked Part 5

The home page says-

>> It is truly surprising how many people there are who confess a belief in Jesus as the Messiah, without having first obtained an adequate knowledge and understanding of the New Testament, the main source of information about him. When a person is calmly shown the factual mistakes and absurdities that are in the New Testament, and sees where it misinterpreted and mistranslated the Tanach, it awakens the realization that they were misled by people whom they thought were friends.

  • There are answers to alleged factual mistakes and alleged absurdites if one cares to look them up. I.E. there are answers to the Isaiah 7:14 issue.

  • It is extremist to accuse sincere believers of "misleading" especially on something so subjective as religion.

Back to the home page-

>> One should be aware of the fact that Paul, a founding father of the early church, and the most successful missionary that ever lived, confessed to using deception and lies to make converts:

>> Corinthians 9:20-22: To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law -- though not being myself under the law -- that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law -- not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ -- that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak.

>> Romans 3:7: If through my lies God’s truth abounds to His glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?

>> Philippians 1:18: In every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Jesus is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

I encourage the reader to read the quotes in context and make his own determination if Paul suggested lying to people in order to get them to convert.

Corinthians chapter 9

Romans chapter 3

Philippians chapter 1

Once you read the three chapters, you will see that to suggest that Paul said it's ok to lie about the gospel to get converts is paranoia.


thor said...

Paul is perhaps referring to the sacrifices he brought. At any rate it seems to me that Paul's at first was not sure about the mitzvoth and later became more radical. But if that thought was accepted by the brothers of Jesus seems unlikely. I think that r Yaakov Emden had a better approach in which he understood that the basic aspects of morality of the New Testament were meant for non Jews while as for Jews there never was any intention to nullify the mitzvoth.
I think that Paul was thinking that if in fact a person is attached to God directly through Jesus that that is all that is needed. But the real question is what about a person that is not completely attached to God with burning fire and energy? And what if in fact that emotional type of attachment is not the highest ideal but a different type as expressed by the medieval theologians? Then it would seem to be clearly that Jesus never meant the nullification of mitzvoth.

SJ said...

Read the chapters, instead of reading your own stuff into it.

SJ said...

Paul is Jewish, and he clealy said he's not under the [ritual] law; hence Jewish Christians are not under the nonmorality aspects of the Torah.