Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Orthodox Judaism and Hell

This is the orthodox talking about hell when they are doing public relations.

'When a person dies, his soul gets a chance to 'think objectively' about his lifetime spent on earth. Depending on how the person spent his lifetime, this can be a painful process in which the soul mourns its bad deeds, lost opportunities and wasted potential or it can be a process of joy in which the soul delights in its closeness to G-d. Ultimately, the gehinom process is temporary, and eventually enables the person to enjoy the benefits of all the good things he did during his lifetime." (from http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/132/Q2/)

This is the orthodox talking about hell when they are doing their scare tactics.

"Unless you rescind the post, prepare yourself for some deep 'splainin come the big 'ol day of judgement, my friend. Wee-haw." (from lina's post on https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3627627202031486081&postID=8580802837893007828)

point 1: is the punishment of hell truely temporary in orthodox judaism? Lina's post would leave one questioning because she brought judgement day into this. clearly she believe's in some kind of eternal punisment.

point 2: hell was clearly meant to be a bitter punishment. duh, its fire.


Garnel Ironheart said...

Gehinnom in Jewish thought is a temporary process designed to re-purify the soul so it can return to its Maker. It's a positive process designed to undo the mistakes we make in this world that sully our spirituality. This is all clearly written in the sources that you didn't review as you sat alone during that bad movie wondering why the frum girl you like so much wouldn't go with you.

SJ said...

"Hell is a place of fire where sinners are punished after they die. Certain classes of people who deny religion receive eternal punishment there (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Teshuvah 3:5-6), but most sinners are punished there for only (up to) a year (Mishnah Eduyos 2:9; Talmud Shabbos 33a)."

from http://www.torah.org/qanda/seequanda.php?id=467

Garnel, you are caught with your pants on fire. XD

Garnel Ironheart said...

No, that's exactly what I said. Judaism views sin as a negative thing. Punishment is the process whereby the negative effects of sin are removed from the sinner's soul. Your quote is exactly what I said.
And no, I don't think that girl wants you to send her flowers. You really should get over your obsession with her and get back to your cubicle.

SJ said...

Garnel, i never said anything about sending a girl flowers. is character assassination all u orthodox are capable of?

the fact is Garnel what torah.org said is different than what u said.

Shalmo said...

Well Judaism's beliefs on the after life actually come from Zorastrians. Originally the Jews never believed in an after-life hence its no where mentioned in the Torah, but appears only in the later Prophetic books

Eccesiates 5-6 actually speak against a belief in after life. What happened?

Simple the Pharisees; the persian faction won over the Essenes; who rejected these foreign ideas invading judaism. Pharisee comes from parsi; the original word for zorastrian. Since modern judaism comes from the Pharisees, this is where all the after-life beliefs come from (hell, heaven, etc)

Even the idea of a 6000 year old world, a common couple ancestor, the messianic age and the concept of a messiah are all zorastrian in origin. Zoroaster came around 6000 BC, so that's like 4500 years before Sinai

Shalmo said...

Lack of an Afterlife:

Ecclesiastes 9

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.